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  • Ralph Ebersole
    Yes, Jeff, and that is total BS.  It's what used to be called sensational journalism.  Now it's called the tabloids.  I wonder what it's...
  • Ralph Ebersole
    Hmm, this site cuts off the link.  Try this: http://www.edmunds.com/confessions.html
  • Ralph Ebersole
    Nope, they are still there.  See if this one works:   http://www.edmunds.com/confessions.htmlIt links to all of their articles.  Now...
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    Guest replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Ralph- were the links you posted at Edmunds live when yu made the post yesterday?  Because they're not live now.  Looking at the URLs, I...
  • TuneyFish
    "This is why most of the Ivy League talent coming into the industry to capitalize on its inefficiencies -- generally by minimizing them...
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    David Kain replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Jeff this would be entertaining if it wasn't such a serious matter.  I appreciate the bright lights you are giving the subject.  Using a...
  • Ralph Ebersole
    Ok.  It's time to take off the gloves and speak the absolute truth about these organizations: Zag and True Car:  Remember, they were...
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    Dennis Galbraith replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Mat, your explanation is a great example of what you were always capable of. You make your old boss proud.  The Readers Digest version...
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    Tchappell replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    I work for Edmunds with dealers in the south - When I survey customers who submitted a lead through Edmunds.com, I find that most of...
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    Guest replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Jeff, As always I love that your site is an open forum for people to share their opinions.  Since you and I have spoken over the past...
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    Garnett Wilson replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Car dealers have always and will always live in a 30-day world. Even the dealer groups live this way, so no one is going to forgo the...
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    Anonymous (blog) replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    A race to the bottom is exactly what's happening, and ironically it fosters behavior in some that makes the problem these guys claim...
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    Guest replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    I questioned the DMS access and this is the message I got from them: “Participating Dealers” for our consumers, not people who just want...
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    Patrick (blog) replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    The problem is that these customer member programs are not going to go away.  Customers are always looking for a special deal.  Zag goes...
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    Dave White replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Jeff - great post! and Joe Pistell your observations are spot on. In an effort to garner more "quality" leads, dealers are often tempted...
  • Joe Hobbs
    I have the Edmunds contract sitting on my desk for both stores.... I not going to sign do not think it is worth $3,000 for a 15 miles...
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    Guest replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    I'm not so sure about this. We already tell all ZAG partners what our price is (USAA, etc) what's wrong with one more? (Truecar.com) I...
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    Joe Pistell replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    In other words... "how great is this lead?" Ask Edmunds to limit the payout time to 2 weeks.  NOT. Ask edmunds to limit it to a test...
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    Joe Pistell replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Dealers, beware the EDMUNDS CASH trap.  Edmunds is a research site, NOT a purchase decision site. Shoppers here are just beginning...
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    Daniel Boismier replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Jeff,  what is the reference to PureCars in the article "PureCar already claims to have over 40% of all transactional data In the United...
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    Guest replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Dealers that sell for a loss on the front end make it up in F&I.
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    Eric Miltsch (blog) replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    Great explanation Alex. There has to be so many people (dealers) who have no idea this is happening to them & what it means to them as...
  • DevlonC
    I looked into the Zag deal because they run the USAA's buying service.  They charge $300 a car you sell and most of the dealers are...
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    Danielmorgan replied to the thread Edmunds TMV vs TrueCar - Dealers, wake up!.
    I think its a Double-edged sword. Edmunds is one of the top vehicle research sites and normally has good to decent leads but yet they...
  • Anthony Stanley
    Jeff, Great story!  I don't understand why dealerships feel the need to pay someone to help them give aaway gross profit.
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