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Kelley Blue Book's Big Move?

Having worked at Autobytel when they launched the PPL model with VAST it was never going to work because they never generated enough organic traffic to MyRide.com.

KBB on the other hand has the eyeballs. VAST's technology is a perfect fit for them. Will they overrun 'Trader and Cars? No, but they'll make a big dent.

Kelley Blue Book's Big Move?

I think it is not about will KBB become next AutoTrader or anything like that. Who ever wants to do this business has to maintain big sales team (like AutoTrader, cars.com or any other in this business) but KBB, from what I see wants to leave those guys do their business but just wants to leverage own business. Who wants to buy leads can get them from KBB... if you want them join to KBB Trusted Marketplace even AutoTrader could start buying leads from KBB in a minutes...

Wide array of inventory providers is great thing... the same car can be listed at AutoTrader, CarsCom, CarsDirect or directly from dealership or via God knows which service but the one who outbid will show up and get lead. AutoTrader has to send decent amount of leads to their dealers to keep them happy and keep their accounts so when they need they can spend some dollars at KBB and send their unsatisfied dealers leads and keep them happy... buying traffic in bulk like earlier was most profitable option for autotrader and now time has changed they have to compete with everybody on the individual car level to get leads and support their business.

Kelley Blue Book's Big Move?

The one thing I am certain of is that this will be a very active thread. I'm going to take the over on whatever number you throw out there.

The real heart of this issue is the old "lead source vs. advertising" argument that Cars and Autotrader reps and dealers have been batting around for years. I've read great position statements on DR in other threads and I expect to see them revisited here. Are the major classified sites an advertising partner with 10 times the targeted reach of the local broadcast networks or are they simply a lead provider to be measured by phone calls and emails? It looks like the industry is about to clearly define the terms and the definition is going to be right on the invoice.

I think it'll work like this, if inventory, dealership name and contact information are freely given to consumers you are by definition an "advertiser." ROI will be determined the same way that it is with other comparable mass media outlets like radio and tv. The old intangibles like page views, map prints, site transfers become the new readership, circulation and reach that define value.

Conversely, if inventory is displayed but contact information is restricted to only those means that are directly trackable as to associate a charge you are by definition a "lead provider." ROI is determined by closing percentage as a barometer of lead quality.

Both models are viable and will have a place in dealer's ad spend because consumer shopping behavior supports both models.

This isn't a "vote with your wallet" scenario, the successful dealerships and savvy marketers will quickly realize the need for both in the mix and the massive differences in calculating ROI for each model.

Kelley Blue Book's Big Move?

Thanks for your comment "HA". Maybe it would be in your best interest to identify yourself? Maybe not?

Aren't you looking at it from the wrong perspective? As a consumer, selection is key. As a dealer, visibility is key. You yourself just admitted Kbb is a great site.
Kbb is bringing lots of eyeballs to dealer's digital storefronts.

In terms of the purchase funnel, Kbb has always controlled selection but not acquisition. All Kbb is vying to do, is take some control of the tail end of that funnel.
Nothing more, nothing less.

And one more comment about Leads. How is a lead from a dealer's inventory decoded by a vin # only closing at 5%?

Kelley Blue Book's Big Move?

So let me get this straight...KBB is convinced that pay per lead is the way to go? You would think that they would know the closing percentages on emails...5% nationally! Not to mention that email is the least preferred method of contact according to consumers. All I can say is Good Luck with that! What Cars.com and ATC realized was that KBB sent very few customers to the vehicle search page. KBB is a great site. However, consumers still view them as a research site at the top of the funnel. If they really want transparency...maybe they should try the PAY PER SALE model!

Kelley Blue Book's Big Move?

KBB wants to change how auto leads are bought and sold

Guest Posting by Cliff Banks

Kelley Blue Book is launching a bold initiative, hoping to revolutionize the way online leads are bought and sold.

In the process, it's turning its back on a rather successful revenue generator while speeding into a business dominated by AutoTrader.com and Cars.com.

In July, Kelley announced it was launching an online classified listings service for new and used vehicles and will charge dealers on a per lead basis. It's calling the venture KBB's Trusted Marketplace.

For years, AutoTrader.com and Cars.com have employed a subscription-type model, in which dealers pay a flat rate each month to list their inventory on the two automotive sites. The price is determined by the level of service a dealer chooses.

At times, dealers have grumbled about the seemingly high prices AutoTrader charges, and say the cost does not always match the level of performance.

Justin Yaros, Kelley's executive vice president-product design and development, who helped develop the new strategy says the initiative will provide dealers greater control over their lead generating costs, while improving the performance of leads by better matching customers with the right vehicles.

Dealers will pay Kelley $20 for every lead their inventory listed on KBB.com generates.

Although, other firms such as, Dealix, AutoUSA, AOL, Overstock.com and Autobytel Inc. started implementing pay-per-lead strategies with their dealers within the last year, the model has been slow to take off. Kelley's brand cache and consumer traffic should lend weight to the concept, executives say.

“KBB.com adds legitimacy to the pay-per-lead model,” says Anna Zornosa, Dealix's executive vice president and general manager, a proponent of the concept.

AutoTrader's CEO and President Chip Perry declined to comment for this story, but has dismissed the pay-per-lead model at industry conferences and in previous conversations with Ward's.

He can afford to. AutoTrader is the clear leader in the space, generating more than $1 billion a year in revenue. Why kill the golden goose?

“KBB is a strong brand when it comes to used-car valuations,” says Mitch Golub, Cars.com's president. “However, pay-per-lead classified listings are a completely different business. They clearly have their work cut out, especially if they pursue a model that aggregates listings from a wide array of providers. That model has yet to work.”

Although the concept of pay-per-performance is attractive, whether Kelley can move the market sufficiently to create a groundswell among dealers to make a switch to its model, remains to be seen.

Kelley has several challenges. One, it's new to the listings game — a game Cars.com and AutoTrader play very well.

Another challenge for Kelley is inventory. It gets the consumer traffic, but has depended on either Cars.com or AutoTrader.com in the past for inventory listings.

Cars.com or AutoTrader (depending on which firm Kelley was partnering with at the time) paid Kelley millions of dollars to list their inventory on its site.

KBB.com, because of its high consumer traffic, would drive more leads back to AutoTrader's or Cars.com's dealers. Or at least, that was how the concept was to work.

Privately, executives from both firms claim the number of leads received didn't warrant the high listing prices Kelley commanded.

Kelley executives say listing inventory for other firms is an advertising play. While the money is good, the companies listing the inventory controlled the consumer experience, something Kelley thinks it can improve significantly.

Whatever the reason, AutoTrader and Kelley ended their partnership in July, six months before the contract was scheduled to end.

Kelley then turned to Vast Inc., a technology firm that has been championing the pay-per-performance model the last couple of years.

Vast's goal is to create a network of automotive online sites that together will create enough pressure on AutoTrader.com Cars.com to force them into the pay-per-performance model.

“The subscription players underestimate the innovation that comes with the pay-per-lead model and what that does to the quality of the lead,” Zornosa says.

Vast aggregates inventory from numerous industry partners, such as Kelley, Dealix, Autobytel, AutoUSA, AOL, Dealer Specialties and Overstock.com.

Vast then optimizes the inventory and pushes it back out to its partner sites. The value is that each firm's inventory shows up on each of Vast's partner sites, extending their reach and visibility.

Kelley's move is big because the enterprise brings in the most consumer traffic as one of the most visited automotive sites online.

Vast says its value goes beyond just extending the reach of a firm's inventory listings. It's created search algorithms that will match consumers with the right vehicle, which in theory, should lead to more valuable leads.

Each of Vast's partners can customize how they want the search algorithms to work, letting them control the consumer experience on their site.

Like Google, Vast combines its search technology with a bid process to determine where each vehicle appears in the listings. This lets a third party company provide better leads to its dealers by bidding more to push the inventory closer to the top of the listings.

The dealer pays a certain amount per lead. This can include phone leads and online leads. Whom and what they pay depends on which site lead came from. Firms such as Dealix or AutoUSA may charge more or less that Kelley at $20 per lead.

Whichever firm pushed the lead to the dealer pays Vast a percentage of what the lead costs the dealer. Everybody potentially wins: the consumer, the dealer, the third-party companies and Vast.

The end result, says Vast's Ben Cohen, is that, unlike the subscription model, dealers aren't paying for leads they don't necessarily want.

“Dealers have an alternative now,” Cohen says. “But they have to vote with their wallets.”
About the Aurthor: Cliff Blanks is the Editorial Director at Ward's Dealer Business. Cliff also writes for his own blog on WardsAuto.com

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

"The other knows they want to improve, is willing to spend the money to get someone, but isn’t really willing to ruffle any feathers of their current team by bringing in new solutions that may help them grow."
-Joe Webb

People will always resist change, no matter the business, the department, or the industry.

They have to rip the band aid off, and just do it. The longer they talk about it, the longer they wait, the more time they give people to poke holes in it, or focus on why its "not going to work".
Even worse, they could set the new hire or solutions up for failure. Not consciously, or in a devious fashion, but just by their focusing on the negativity, or whats "bad" about the solution. Ive seen it happen.

If its the right decision it should profit all, which means in a few weeks they wont remember their ruffled feathers.

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

Mrs. Jones,

"When I see a problem with a salesperson or process the managers look at our responsibility in the situation change that first and then work on changing the behavior of the people around us"....WOW- this is an example of what "managing" is all about.
The most successful dealership I have worked in had this mentality- look at managements side of the street first, clean it up- then be able to address behaviors as they come up on the "employees side of the street" with a clear conscience and the respect of the employees.
Do as I say not as I do is never a winning formula in any business- exspecially ours!

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

@ Mrs. Jones - It's obvious you get it! Love that. More dealership's GM's need to take a que from you. And it's not just warm and fuzzies...you're talking nuts and bolts! Your sales are up, so there's all of the proof. Great job on your Facebook page. I get the sense that it's a nice place to work and buy! Keep up the good work. =)

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

I am a GM at an Independent dealer and we have managed to attract the top professionals in our area by being different and the word has gotten around. We offer a flexible schedule and rotate Mondays off for our managers and salespeople to spend time with friends and family. We also have a very open door policy and every salesperson feels comfortable coming into my office and giving me feedback and ideas for the business. When I see a problem with a salesperson or process the managers look at our responsibility in the situation change that first and then work on changing the behavior of the people around us. Happy employees make happy customers. Don't get me wrong we don't just bend over for our salespeople and let them walk on us, but they know that they are treated with respect and they in turn treat all the managers and their career with respect. This has created a great place to work and we are up double digits for the year while others are closing down around us. I came from outside the car business as far as my people management goes and I think that is why we are truly a "different" dealership. I really believe that there are only 2 reasons people don't do something. 1. They don't know how- so we make sure to give them the tools and encouragement to learn how. 2. They don't want to- so if we have given you the tools and you have proven that you know how and still aren't doing something that is the only logical reason why you aren't doing it. In that case it is time for you to go. This has created a stong team of people that I love working with.

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

Scott,
The recruiting installment that will be posted is geared towards the dealer (employer) side of things. For a candidate:

HANDLE A JOB SEARCH AS YOU WOULD A SALES OPPORTUNITY!!!!!! Impecable timely follow up- professionalism- humilty with CONFIDENCE- and a positive smiling attitude

Know what "job" you are looking for and market yourself accordingly
Stress accomplishements on resume WITH numbers, our industry pays attention to numbers- be able to provide references and documentation to support those numbers i.e.
Sales
Average grosses
Internet hits to sales
CSI
Appointment to sales conversions etc
(true performance proof of area in which you worked)

Get and stay organized- have a process for your job search with appropriate follow up in way of a standard protocol for scheduled follow up, cover letters (2) standard thank you for telephone interview, face to face interview- hand written is best (email is appropriate if that was how you corresponded in the past otherwise- hand written snail mail for notes)
Create Excel spreadsheet with:
Date Applied
Dealership Location Phone
Position
Source Monster/Referral/Paper etc.
Contact person
Resume/Cover sent via email, fax or website
Date 1st contact- interview
Result-Notes- Follow Up
Date 2nd contact-interview
Result-Notes- interview- Follow Up
Date 3rd contact- interview
Result- Notes- interview- follow UF

Create a standardized "process or plan" from beginning to end with all supporting correspondence templates and FOLLOW IT

Use your networks- get the word out there
Cold calling for a job is ok!!!!
(And remember that you are "selling" yourself and its a number game, just like any other sale)

Be prepared for the interview by knowing the store/group and possibly some key areas that you know they are looking to improve in and where your strengths will benefit them.

Keep eye contact and ask questions - engage

Role play the interview.....it is a huge help before you actually walk in! Got a friend in the biz, ask him/her to help- review YOU- what you have done NOT what you are going to DO.

Any other questions? There are so many "tips" feel free to give me a call and I would be happy to go through some of them with you!

Good Luck!

Wendi

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

"dealers operate from FEAR, not confidence and service! That’s what leads to customer frustration and the “games” they complain about." Joe you are right on the money!!!!!
FEAR- False Expectations Appearing Real!
We are notorius as an industry for "managing" when things arent going well, or when there is a hightened sense of "fear and anxiety". If a dealership would take the time to give managers a plan to use ALL the time, then management would feel more in control, less vulnerable to fear and less likely to rely on knee jerk "solutions". Proactive rather than reactive. Fear cannot be avoided but the destructive counterprodutive behavior it evokes certainly can be with a plan and a process!

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

Great topic! I spent the first 8 years of my career working for tech companies. In 2001 when the Internet/Technology bubble bursted I was looking for work...found the car biz!

Since the beginning, I've always been shocked at the culture of most dealerships. The biggest complaint is that most dealers/managers don't provide the right support, training, and motivation to attract and keep good people.

The hours can be ridiculous and the energy can be a drag. Not to mention how dealers operate from FEAR, not confidence and service! That's what leads to customer frustration and the "games" they complain about.

On the flip side, I currently work at a great dealer group and we are looking to make the environment a great one for productivity and for customer experience.

This is the key...what most dealers don't understand is that if your staff is happy, that will translate into greater revenue in parts, service, and sales!

Like John Scott said, he can tell within minutes what's going on.

Let's turn dealerships into a great place to work! It will benefit all involved.

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

Ive been walking in on a lot of dealerships up and down the east coast the past few months and you really can tell quite quickly whether you would want to shop/work at the dealership you're visiting.

There's a lot to be said for investing in your storefront, not just for the customer, but for the employees as well. If an employee is walking in to work at a dump every day that will have an affect on their attitude. Likewise if they're working at shop that looks and feels like a million bucks they will feel like a million bucks and this will come out in their attitude when they deal with customers.

The difference in attitude and atmosphere I experienced when walking in a high end European dealership vs some of the Domestic brands was mind boggling. I have noticed a few Dealerships that do both well, but they are few and far apart.

If you can combine a great atmosphere with good management I think retention would go up.

People wont mind working long hours if they feel good about where they're working, and they'll be more likely to do it with a smile on their face.

A lot of the Silicon valley corporations realized this a long time ago.

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

The crazy hours that the car business demands burns people up and makes it hard to attract and retain the best talent. Nobody wants to work the crazy hours 6-7 days a week like the car business demands.

We have a lot of employees that work for us that used to work in dealers. Everyone of them will tell you they don't miss the hours.

Change Please - Who We Hire and How We Hire

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The “change” we as an industry are experiencing is going to require us to step it up with how we hire, who we hire and the way in which we manage our Sales, Internet and BDC personnel. In the past we have not given the attention needed to attracting, hiring and managing our sales and customer service people effectively, we have done it by the seat of our pants.

We cannot afford any longer to over look these critical areas in our stores, it’s costly, time consuming and frustrating to everyone involved, management, employees AND the customer.

How we hire and recruit our Sales, Internet and BDC professionals, sets the “tone” for the entire store and how it performs as an employer and a place to do business.

I can walk into a store anywhere in the country and in less than 30 minutes, be able to identify -with uncanny accuracy, if the store has a hiring and employee management process in place that management religiously follows (Employee Life Cycle Management System). Here are the clues:

Clue #1  ATTITUDE
WITHOUT a hiring and management process in place: There is a “feel” to the store of dishevelment, chaos and negativity observed through the actions of the employees. Smiles are not in abundance and seriousness prevails. This is due largely in part to the “uncertainty” that being an employee in the store brings to their lives. Few minimum requirements are established with a solid performance game plan for employees and management alike to follow in order to achieve these goals.

Clue #2  SALES
WITHOUT a process: The stores sales are not anything to write home about, the struggle is constant, and the “struggle” is sensed in the “attitudes” of the employees in the store. Management and employees are stressed due to frustration and fear. Lack of a game plan leaves employees feeling out of control.

Clue #3  CUSTOMER SATISFACTION LEVELS
WITHOUT a process: The stores CSI and SSI scores are below minimum requirements. This is due largely to the fact that stores employees are NOT satisfied, do not feel valuable and operate in fear and uncertainty most of the time. This “fear” and uncertainty is always passed on down to the customers.

Clue #4  CUSTOMERS
WITHOUT a process: Customers in the showroom and or service department do not appear to be at ease. Customers are in the dark as to “what to expect next”, this creates anxiety. Since the sales people are not “managed” consistently, they do not interact consistently with clients.
FACT 1 : Wrong hiring choices and mismanagement of employee’s are the leading factors in unsatisfied employees. Unsatisfied, mismanaged employees is the leading factor in low sales and low customer service satisfaction scores (CSI)

FACT 2 : It typically cost a dealership between $2500~$20,000 to recruit, hire and train a Sales, Internet or BDC professional, not to mention the hidden costs of lost sales, low productivity, poor customer satisfaction, and lack of repeat business.

THE CAUSE: Lack of a CONSISTENT hiring and management plan/process that they follow when hiring and managing Sales, Internet, and BDC professionals

We are notorious for “hoping” that we hired the right employee and that a manager will instinctively know how to manage…hope is not a plan! A simple Employee Life Cycle System is all the average dealership needs to hire more effectively as well as manage and develop employees consistently.

What is an Employee Life Cycle System (ELCS)?

An ELCS is a step by step process that is used to consistently, objectively and fairly recruit, hire, manage and develop employees- from the time they are recruited until the time they leave, voluntarily or involuntarily.

Dealerrefresh.com and HireRite, Inc. will present to you as a four part series a complete “PLAN” or “Employee Life Cycle” to hire, manage and develop your employees more effectively and efficiently. Once implemented you will:

  1. Attract better qualified job applicants
  2. Decrease your recruiting time
  3. Conduct more effective interviews
  4. Effectively motivate, develop and manage your employees (in less than 2 hours per year per employee!)
  5. Decrease the cost of your recruiting
  6. Decrease your turnover and the high costs associated with it

The 4 part series will cover:

Part 1- Recruiting effectively- how to attract qualified sales and customer service professionals- to our industry and YOUR jobs.

Part 2- Interviewing and screening consistently and objectively- get the information you need to make, educated hiring decisions.

Part 3- Managing as well as developing ALL of your sales and customer service employees in less than 2 hours per year per employee! - eliminating “seat of the pants” managing and therefore “seat of the pants results”

Part 4- Employee retention- how to keep the talent you have AND the new talent you found.

Lets get started...stay tuned!
About the Author: Wendi Venable is the author of Finders Keepers “How to find and keep the best automotive sales and customer service professionals” and President of HireRite, Inc.

AutoUSA Improves Quality of New and Used Online Customer Leads for Automotive Dealers

AutoUSA Implements TARGUSInfo On-Demand Lead Verification Solution; Improves Quality of New and Used Online Customer Leads for Automotive Dealers

AutoUSA, the industry's leading provider of the highest quality, Internet-generated consumer leads to auto dealers nationwide, today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement with TARGUSInfo, the leading provider of On-Demand InsightSM about prospects and customers, to provide On-Demand Lead VerificationSM services for its new and used online vehicle leads. The new process of making sure each online customer lead is reachable is one of several best-of-class initiatives recently implemented by AutoUSA to ensure its automotive dealer customers continue to receive the industry's highest quality vehicle leads.

Fort Lauderdale, FL and Vienna, VA (PRWEB) September 2, 2009 -- AutoUSA, the industry's leading provider of the highest quality, Internet-generated consumer leads to auto dealers nationwide, today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement with TARGUSInfo, the leading provider of On-Demand Insight (SM) about prospects and customers, to provide On-Demand Lead Verification (SM) services for its new and used online vehicle leads. The new process of making sure each online customer lead is reachable is one of several best-of-class initiatives recently implemented by AutoUSA to ensure its automotive dealer customers continue to receive the industry's highest quality vehicle leads.

"After a competitive review of our options, we found TARGUSInfo is not only a leader in on-demand intelligence, they have the largest repository of consumer data attributes in the nation, including providing the most robust data on wireless, VoIP and other hard to find information," said Phil DuPree, president of AutoUSA. "By integrating their lead verification service with our existing processes, we'll be able to drive even higher quality leads to our dealers that increase lead response effectiveness."

By integrating their lead verification service with our existing processes, we'll be able to drive even higher quality leads to our dealers that increase lead response effectiveness.
We are thrilled to help AutoUSA pass online consumer leads that are highly contactable to its more than 3,000 automotive retail franchises across the US
Each year, our on-demand delivery network identifies, verifies, scores and locates billions of prospects and customers at the moment they interact with businesses. No other provider gives lead buyers and sellers such in-depth insights to make real-time decisions when needed the most--when consumers inquire.

Through a patented process, the TARGUSInfo On-Demand Lead Verification Solution checks individual pieces of a consumer's contact information such as a phone number to not only ensure accuracy, but verify linkage to that consumer. The real time solution automatically verifies phone numbers, including wireless, for all leads received by AutoUSA from sources such as Edmunds.com, Kelley Blue Book, AOL Autos, MSN Autos, Yahoo! Autos, NADAguides.com, AutoVantage.com, and AutoUSA.com.

"We are thrilled to help AutoUSA pass online consumer leads that are highly contactable to its more than 3,000 automotive retail franchises across the US," said David Wengel, general manager of interactive markets, TARGUSinfo. "Each year, our on-demand delivery network identifies, verifies, scores and locates billions of prospects and customers at the moment they interact with businesses. No other provider gives lead buyers and sellers such in-depth insights to make real-time decisions when needed the most--when consumers inquire."

About TARGUSinfo
TARGUSinfo, the leading provider of On-Demand InsightSM, provides unique identification, verification, scoring and location solutions that enable communication service providers, retailers, call-center operators, Web-based marketers and others to dramatically increase the quality of their services and the effectiveness of their marketing. A privately held company, TARGUSinfo is headquartered in Vienna, Va. For more information, visit www.TARGUSinfo.com.

About AutoUSA (www.AutoUSA.com)
AutoUSA, Inc., is headquartered in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and a subsidiary of AutoNation, Inc. (NYSE: AN), the largest retail automotive company in the United States. AutoUSA is an independent third-party provider of leads to more than 3,000 dealerships. The company has built its success on a combination of advanced web-based technology and a network that includes the country's most well respected online automotive resources, including Edmunds.com, Kelley Blue Book, AOL Autos, MSN Autos, Yahoo! Autos, NADA Analytical Services Group, AutoVantage.com, AutoNation.com and AutoUSA.com. The vast majority of Ward's Top 100 eDealers use AutoUSA. More information is available online at http://www.autousa.com.

Cash-for-Clunkers Drives New-Car Shopping—and Higher Prices

Just noticed that it was an autotrader.com press release, and I was already wondering where the stats and numbers from cars.com, etc are.
Looking at my analytics for AutoTrader, I can certainly report double digits closing ratios throughout my stores on incoming AutoTrader inquiries. However I can't share the success on the incoming new car leads through this medium. Alone Honda had exclusively used car inquiries during the cash for clunker period and not ONE new car inquiry.

It is still nice to see that we still closed 25% of this incoming leads.

Now (and I agree with Phil 100%) we only need to be patient for the government cutting us the checks. I further hope that AutoTrader won’t use the “sky-rocketing traffic” numbers during the particular CARS period to defend their next price increase.
Happy Selling to y’all.

Cash-for-Clunkers Drives New-Car Shopping—and Higher Prices

I live to leverage and I have always done business with my friends because my enemies will never call me! Leveraged online resources and networked marketing relationships with one central access point for vehicle inventory and information is a necessary evil for individual dealers who can't possibly cut through the clutter of the Internet Superhighway alone. The CARS program undoubtedly created more problems than it solved - with most of the problems yet to materialize - however building traffic was one of its unchallenged successes. It is understandable that AutoTrader.Com would get the lion share of the online traffic that the program developed; congratulations! Now, if only my dealer clients can get paid by the government for their clunkers maybe we will be able to pay the ATC invoices. You guys won't mind waiting just a little past the promised 10 days will you? After all, what are friends for!

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