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Q&A with Mike McFall, President of Black Book Online

woops, one more mod Mr. McFall,

We all know Bad things Happen to Good People...

QUESTION:
Just when has Mr Good Guy fixed is poor score?

IDEA:
For those people with marginal or poor scores, BBCA dishes out credit help newsletters and follows them for months/years. BBCA invites them to re-test their score periodically. If I were running BBCA, I'd find credit repair agencies that want to purchace/rent my lead list, or, have these credit repair co's. create content and advertise on the BBCA newsletter (read: new revenue from idle leads). Once the credit has been repaired, BBCA resells that lead to dealers "Congratulations, your Credit repair work looks great!"

Q&A with Mike McFall, President of Black Book Online

Mr McFall,

I just toured the Black Book Credit Activator(BBCA). I liked the concept VERY MUCH, it harvested a lead, but with the results it produced conservative but accurate results for me. When I was over, I see you've tied it to a tradein form (which left me puzzled). I wanted it to take me deeper in the shopping experience!

Rather than moving to a tradein form, if you could transition to product selection, I think your hook (in the shopper) would sink far deeper. I realize your handcuffed technically, but I love your product and I'd like to see it grow AND it's value will grow exponentially if it's nested deeply in dealers sites.

I'll ramble a bit... but don't worry, all of it's tactical! I hope you and your team can find a few high ROI jewels!

STAGE1
As a shopper, I'd like the BBCA to tell me what common interest rates are found for my BBCA results (nationwide). To get this interest rate info, we'd need the shopper to input generalized vehicle preferences as interest rates from lending institutions are vehicle dependent. Is the shopper looking for new or used? Used with very low miles and under one model year old, or, an older used [higher rates here]). For factory finance incentives, there is a whole flow chart possible for new car finance incentives "You May Qualify for Nissan's 0% __month financing! [click here] for express service!"

Summary:
At this point we're educating the shopper that vehicle choice will influence interest rates. This added variable further complicates the choices and commits the shopper to have a SMILING PERSON explain all this to them (read: dealer).

So far, that's easy, let's raise the bar!
We've got a credit score range and a general idea what the person is shopping for. The shopper is very close to a very personal shopping experience. Then, if we had a perfect world, the BBCA would dish up a BBCA pick list from my inventory. Can we do that? I think we can!

Enter:
Black Book Credit Activator(BBCA) Shopping assistant.
BBCA system produces credit score projections and BBCA asks if they'd like a "shopping assistant" to help them find opportunities that match their proposed budget. Shopper agrees and creates CCBA membership login (at dealer site).

IDEA 1) The BBCA LIST
Black Book takes my inventory feed & presses it against BBCA query results, and produces a BBCA shopping list (disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer).

This would make an excellent PURL page (www.blackbook.com/RalphsFord/mypicks/JoeSmith, or, www.RalphsFord.com/mypicks/JoeSmith)

IDEA 2) BBCA "YES!!" icon
Behind the scenes, Black Book takes my inventory feed & presses it against the BBCA members Credit score results and downpayment and budget range. This produces a personal BBCA "YES!!" list. Matching vehicles sit on a file that my web site calls. If "YES!!" = stock#P55467, then "YES!!" icon is displayed on SRP and VDP.

Phase 2, the BBCA Automatic Lead Generator.
Each BBCA Member has built a dynamic query that drops it's results into a members file. Each evening inventory is refreshed and any NEW matches are emailed to the BBCA member and a dupe is emailed to the dealers adf address (dealers CRM input) so the previously assigned sales rep can interact with it.

Now we're hookin' the stealth shopper with super personal results! A great set up for highly productive repeat visits!

I tossed this together in a few hours, surely, I've missed some detail that'll slow this up. But, I should be real close! Lastly, If I am a website vendor and I can resell this to my subscribers, I'm in!

How'd I do? Thoughts?

Black Book Online Launches Activator Complete - The Super Lead

In the pilot program with 18 dealers, we found that 81% of the estimated scores are above 630. This score distribution is different from what we typically see from a credit applicaiton. A few dealers reported an increase in their credit applications as well, none reported a decline.

Black Book Online Launches Activator Complete - The Super Lead

Auto Dealers Report Increased Lead Quality and Quantity from Pilot

BOCA RATON, FL., April 14, 2011Black Book Online today announced the launch of its Activator Complete product, further empowering car buyers while simultaneously inventing the “Super Lead” for dealers.

logo.gifIn addition to providing accurate trade-in values, Activator Complete now includes Credit Activator™, which gives consumers an estimated credit score range without asking them to divulge sensitive information such as their social security number or date of birth. Customers that fully engage with the tool provide their contact information for direct interaction with their local dealer.

“For years, customers have been getting information online from less credible sources,” said industry expert David Kain of Kain Automotive. “Finally, they can now turn to a company that understands the dealer automotive retail environment for real insight on their credit situation.”

The time is right for a product like this said Kain.

“This extension of our brand is fully aligned with our goal of helping dealers and OEM’s convert anonymous website traffic into actionable prospects with high conversion rates,” said Tom Cross, president of the Black Book Automotive Group, “As one would expect, we have rigorously tested our credit scoring models and are confident that the accuracy of the ranges generated are worthy of the Black Book name.”

Black Book products are published by National Auto Research, a division of Hearst Business Media. New and used car dealers, lenders, manufacturers, fleet remarketers, and government agencies have relied on Black Book for timely, independent and accurate information and leads since 1955.

According to a recent study conducted by Harris Interactive and commissioned by Black Book Online, nine out of 10 (91 percent) car buyers say that the information provided by car dealerships should be both more complete and more accurate, and 75 percent of financing car buyers think it is important to know their credit score when buying a car. Findings from the study also showed that most car buyers say it is important to know one’s credit score before buying a car. However, about 12 million U.S. adults who plan to buy a car in the next year say an unexpected credit score has stopped them from completing a car purchase. The survey was conducted online among a national sample of 1,063 adults 18 and over who indicate that they are at least somewhat likely to buy a car in the next 12 months.

“The study also informed us that 75 percent of consumers think credit scores are important when buying a car, but only 21 percent are willing to give their social security number on a car dealership website,” said Mike McFall, president of Black Book Online. “The addition of Activator Complete not only helps car shoppers become more empowered buyers by providing them with an estimate of their credit score, but also provides dealers with actionable information to help turn those shoppers into buyers.”

Unlike the traditional online application process where customers supply name, social security number and date of birth to get a credit score, the Activator Complete™ process simply estimates a credit score based on the customer’s answers to 12 personal finance questions. The dealer receives a lead and can contact the customer to arrange a store visit.  Before a financing offer is extended to a customer the dealer conducts a credit review process which includes an independent credit check.

Activator Complete signifies the invention of the “Super Lead” for dealers, collecting information critical to the sales process including make and model of the vehicle the consumer is interested in, their trade-in value and an estimate of a consumer’s credit score. In collecting this information, Black Book Online provides dealers with the highest quality leads, generated directly from a dealer’s own website. And according to an internal study, 40 percent of dealers say these are the best, most actionable leads.

RayFenster.com, LLC conducted separate research with dealers and F&I professionals regarding this kind of product and found three consistent themes.

  • Maintaining privacy for prospects and consumers is key
  • The process should be simple and transparent
  • Dealers want to provide their customers with a snapshot of their financial position, but don’t want to force them to disclose sensitive information

Activator Complete generates stronger leads by engaging customer activity on a dealer’s website and offering valuable insight in real time to those that interact online. The result? Dealers have better chances that their active online shoppers will turn into motivated and informed customers instead of just passers-by.

“With car buyers doing their research prior to visiting our dealership, they come in more informed and ready to buy,” said Butch Watson of Chuck Fairbanks Chevrolet, a dealer from the Credit Activator pilot program. “It is a definite value-add to our business.”

Mike Maher of Weber Chevrolet in Missouri is seeing more than a lead a day using Credit Activator.  “Dealership sales managers need to make the best use of their time and resources, which is why we often rely on leads. But, they have to be the right leads,” Maher said. “By using this new product, we have received 65 leads and sold 6 cars to date. It helps us by directing us to the right car buyers. This is a great product for your internet department’s tool box.”

For more information and a demonstration on how the Credit Activator product works, please visit www.BlackBookCreditScore.com.

About Harris Interactive

Harris Interactive is one of the world’s leading custom market research firms, leveraging research, technology, and business acumen to transform relevant insight into actionable foresight. Known widely for The Harris Poll and for pioneering innovative research methodologies, Harris offers expertise in a wide range of industries including healthcare, technology, public affairs, energy, telecommunications, financial services, insurance, media, retail, restaurant, and consumer package goods. Serving clients in over 215 countries and territories through our North American, European, and Asian offices and a network of independent market research firms, Harris specializes in delivering research solutions that help us – and our clients – stay ahead of what’s next. For more information, please visit www.harrisinteractive.com.



About Black Book

Black Book® Online (www.blackbookonline.com), based in Boca Raton, Fla., pioneered the online vehicle trade-in valuation industry, creating the most effective sales leads in North America. With the launch of Activator Complete™ in April 2011, Black Book Online now provides automotive shoppers with an instant and accurate credit score estimate along with a trade-in value range. Combined, these tools offer the highest quality sales lead available and represent the “Super Lead” for dealers and OEMs.

Best known in the automotive industry for providing real-time, independent, and most accurate vehicle pricing data, the Black Book® family of vehicle appraisal guides (www.blackbookusa.com) is published by National Auto Research, a division of Hearst Business Media.  New and used car dealers, lenders, manufacturers, fleet remarketers, and government agencies have relied on mission critical Black Book values in the performance of their daily operations since 1955.

DealerRater Hits 300,000 Car Dealer Reviews

@Jersey Shore,

That's funny! Not taking anything away from Acton, they do an amazing job, but I talked to quite a few dealers at DD10 that have them in their sights and are really motivated to knock them off the top of the heap. I think that gap is going to get closed really quickly if they rest on their laurels.

CarsDirect.com Renews Relationship with Automotive Chat Provider Contact At Once! and Implements Advanced Consumer Engagement Model



Atlanta, GA – April 19, 2011 – Contact At Once!, LLC (www.autodealerchat.com), the leading provider of automotive chat software that moves online shoppers into live conversations with car dealerships, announced today that CarsDirect.com, a leading online automotive shopping service and lead provider has renewed its licensing agreement.

CarsDirect.com recently redesigned its flagship website incorporating live chat in accordance with Contact At Once! best practices, making the newly redesigned CarsDirect.com more interactive.

“A major goal of the CarsDirect.com redesign was to convert even more of our high-quality organic traffic into solid leads for our dealer partners,” said Curt Cozadd, VP of Online Marketing & Business Development at CarsDirect and the project lead for the redesign. “Incorporating Contact at Once! live chat features is one of several ways that we are raising dealer partners’ visibility on CarsDirect.com, and one we think consumers will find especially useful and intuitive.”

Car shoppers browsing the newly redesigned CarsDirect.com can more easily communicate with vehicle advertisers. Highly visible chat icons and proactive photo greetings invite shoppers to connect instantly with available dealership personnel. Interactive photo greetings displayed on vehicle listing pages include the actual name and photo of a dealership representative who is online and available to respond in real-time.  Allowing visitors to chat live with a member of the dealership results in an online engagement similar to the experience of walking into a dealership, shaking hands with a dealership representative and inquiring about their inventory.

“We are happy to continue our relationship with CarsDirect and encouraged by their commitment to improving the online car shopper experience,” said Marc Hayes, Founder and Executive Vice President of Contact At Once! “Understanding that most online car shopping begins on sites other than the dealership’s website, it’s important that dealers not only present their inventory to internet consumers, but offer them the ability to connect instantly and personally.”

Contact At Once! live chat is a feature available to all CarsDirect advertisers and is currently offered at no additional charge to CarsDirect Premium Used Listing customers.  Dealers who add chat to their CarsDirect listings can increase communication with prospective buyers by 20% or more, resulting in more showroom visits and cars sold.  To help dealers achieve the best possible results from live chat, CarsDirect is sponsoring a number of online self-paced training sessions hosted by Contact At Once! covering a range of topics from basic chat etiquette to proven chat techniques.

Dealers interested in adding live chat to their CarsDirect listings or registering for the online self-paced training should contact CarsDirect.com by email, connectaccountmanager@carsdirect.com or call 1-888-895-1805.

About Contact At Once!

Contact At Once! is the leading provider of dealer chat software for automotive websites and operator of the industry’s only chat network, connecting over 7,500 car dealers to the websites that car shoppers visit most often.  Adding ContactAtOnce! auto dealer chat software to a website typically increases a dealership’s sales conversations by at least 25%. Contact At Once! is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information about the company's auto dealer chat product, please visit: www.autodealerchat.com.



About CarsDirect

CarsDirect (www.carsdirect.com) is a leading multi-brand online car buying service and research portal, providing new and used automobiles and related products and services. As the pioneer of the direct online car buying model, CarsDirect has become the natural choice for consumers who demand objectivity, selection and upfront pricing, and for dealers who want to leverage the Internet for cost-effective incremental sales and revenue.

More information about CarsDirect's range of products for dealers can be found at connect.carsdirect.com.

How To Sell Cars in the 21st Century

I think a hybrid of both virtual and standard dealerships is the way to go. However, this would only work if the manufacturers agree. It could cut down on inventory costs and get cars only when a customer orders one (just in time.) Then the car could be ordered or it can come from a "holding" area at port.

How To Sell Cars in the 21st Century

I don't think the design your own car concept is that innovative but I do think over time more dealers will carry less inventory and start selling a higher percent of vehicles through online or custom in-store ordering. All industries are moving to just-in-time procurement, which will squeeze out real estate and flooring costs, and I think it is inevitable the auto retailing industry will head this direction.

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

Munch Hausen (referring of the German Baron of Munchhausen - nice touch) I appreciate your compliment and yes, I love post without a little bit "less" sales pitches as well. Thank you again Jeff and Alex for giving me the opportunity to have this post I wrote on the community. When you want a I have "possibly" a few more.

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

I am amazed at how well this entire site is maintained and monitored. This article, like all articles on DealerRefresh, is timely, important and devoid of SALES PITCHES. I cannot tell you how I much I want to puke when I read ADM. It is nothing more than 20 or so people posting useless crap meant to make themselves or their companies look good (in real life and to Google).

It seems every article on ADM is posted in more than a dozen other places. I call that spam.

Keep up the good work guys and nice job VJ!

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

All very good points Alex, thank you for the response. I would love to ask my GM all those very pertinent questions, but I am making a solid attempt to tone down my feisty side lol. Like a lot of GM's and dealer principals I don't think he has the right answers and therefore wouldn't very much care for the questions.

It's nice to get some perspective from other people. It sounds like the way my store is run is typical. What scares me is that the economy and the car business are slowly coming back to life and I want the professionals in this industy to be prepared. It's for all our benefit. Even as an F&I person I see the powerful impact that not properly handling E-Traffic (is that a word??) can have on all profit sectors in a store.

Maybe I am being too idealistic, but how hard can it be to structure a store with an effective BDC? How hard can it be to open up sales opportunities on a fairer basis for the staff? How hard can it be to provide some training if necessary? Nevermind, I know the answer to those questions. It's all about execution on the part of owners and managers. I believe that they can have all the vision they want, they can have an awesome 2 year plan but if they suffer from a failure to execute then we are in trouble with a Capital T.

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

Stephanie, great response and as Alex said already; WELCOME to the community. You did wonderful in describing exactly what so many dealership "leadership teams" out there are lacking - Empathy, Innovation and Responsibility. I am actually not "sour" of the Gentleman and his quote, but most likely that it evencame to this and that he has the impression "it's evil". There is surely somehow a neglected process which made him tell how he see's it.
Too often did I see in the past (and present) that actually 2 competing teams are being created, as you described - on the sidlines the floor sales guys and on the right corner the Internet team. Floor sales people don't like Internet people "because they are getting all the leads" and Internet people see the floor sales guys as "the merit award team" or "cheese brother" (I honestly heart twice), who are getting spoon-fed by the SM or GSM.

It is something wrong when you see this kind of happening in your dealership is taken place and I applaud Alex, pointing it out. Email - Email -Email and the phone, our most important "weapon in sales", is almost not used any longer. How did one of a trainer I had in the pst said: You are wrting for the show - and phone for the dough". How true is that.

And last but not least @alex - I know you have some German in you, otherwise I could not explain your bold and simple approach to name things by its name. Just like me. Hope you are doing well

Good Luck @Stephanie, and do not forget to ask the question Alex pointed out at the end!

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

Stephanie - welcome to having a voice on DealerRefresh! From your response, I have to say, I look forward to you speaking-up more often. That was a fantastic first comment - thank you!

I read the same article VJ did. I read it 3 times because it shocked me so much. It really made me think how backwards our process is and I think you stated that perfectly.

I imagine most of the early Internet Managers started much like I did; simply being the youngest kid on the sales floor who could type. What our bosses didn't realize is that there was more here than just typing skills. We were capable of visualizing full customer engagement without having to have a person sitting in front of us. It was a skill when I started, but I think it is the norm today (maybe my thinking is a little wishful). There is a new problem evolving, and Donna's Automotive News article hit on it: the Internet staff is too good at email. Too many Internet personnel prefer to email than to pick-up the phone. Unfortunately a lot is lost in typed communication and the phone is absolutely the second step in getting a customer, who submits an Internet Lead, in the door. That's a bit of a tangent, but I think it is an important tangent to reveal in this comment string.

To get back to the answer to your question...

In my opinion, it is quite simply a lack of understanding on management's part. Look at your management. Did they grow-up on a computer? Or did they start by selling cars and working up the totem pole in the traditional fashion? If so, it is going to take them some time to adapt to the new landscape. In the interim there is a great workaround called a "BDC." A BDC should be staffed with people who are only responsible for qualifying a lead into a physical customer (put simply: they handle phone and Internet traffic until it is in the store or has a scheduled appointment). These are people who prefer to not work with a customer in person; a staff that compliments a sales floor who only wants to work with a customer in person.

I call a BDC a workaround because the customer has adapted to communicating online and in person, but our main sales employees have not. To get around this issue a BDC is necessary. Some day, I hope, we will hire more rounded individuals who can handle all forms of common communication mediums.

The BDC is also necessary because of the cherry-picking Internet manager you mentioned. He has to cherry-pick because he has too much on his plate. He needs to become the digital expert (eCommerce Director is the common title) who manages the "non-traditional" including BDC personnel.

There is another beast at play too. The month to month mentality. I can write a series of novels on this topic, but will try to limit my response by stating: VISION is required to do good hiring, enforce proper process, and see the light at the end of the road. If it is just about hitting a sales number or gross then you're stuck in 1983. There are too many complexities today to view anything as linear.

Ask your boss if he has a 2 year plan. Ask him what his plan is for market leadership. Ask him when he plans to retire. A good leader has these answers. If he doesn't, then he is just another month to month car guy.

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

I've been reading your site for a few years now but never had cause to comment until reading this article. I am an F&I manager, but I still pay attention to salespeople and try to keep current on what's happening in my store and in the stores of my collegues around town. I've come to several conclusions....maybe y'all on this site can provide some feedback and answer a question I have.

It seems that very few stores (at least in my city) have true BDC departments. Everybody still has the traditional ISM or Internet "Department", the guy(s) or gal(s) who handle all the marketing, pictures, email quotes, phone calls, follow-ups and sales of any customer branded as an "Internet" lead. The floor salespeople are relegated to the sidelines and must depend on walk-up traffic to make their living. Doesnt this create the exact kind of resentment and "anti-Internet" attitude of salespeople? When I look at my store and I see the floor salespeople making 2-3K a month and struggling to survive and fighting over the few walk-ins we have and then I see the Internet Manager making over 12K a month (with a 2% close rate for new cars and a 10% close rate for used...he cherry picks like nobody's business) I see why a lot of stores are becoming sour on hiring veterans because of a perceived bad attitude or arent able to keep good people with a lot of experience. If 95% of your customers are "Internet" customers, then why is there only one department in a store allowed to handle them? Think back to the late 90's and early 2000's when Internet departments were in their infancy in car dealerships. If the GM called a sales meeting and said "Hey Billy, you are the only person allowed to take floor ups and sales calls. You will get about 250 opportunities to make a sale every month. The rest of you 15 salespeople have to split the 25 email leads we get every month" how do you think that would have gone over with the staff? My perspective is that the same thing is happening now, just in reverse.

Oh, and what if that same GM said "Just to make it more challenging (and to lower my comp payout) I am going to change the pay plan and make it volume-based." Really??

Maybe this is why veterans are so soured on the concept of the Internet customer? Maybe this is why their paychecks have been slashed? I don't know....but this is what I see in my own store and hear from a multitude of industry veterans from all kinds of stores big and small and from a variety of franchises.

You guys seem to be the experts in your field. Feedback??

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

I agree especially with EMPATHY - on both sites. You know we German are known as the sometimes "tough love" guys and galls and we speak it out like we think it - no fluff, no "political correctness" (what is that anyway?). That sales people coming to the conclusion that Internet Leads are slashing their profits and income shows me that something in a dealership's process must be not work well enough. From my current experience, we are converting more and more into an internet store, with front-end profits in the $2K-$4K still achieving, and yes - from Internet leads as well.
It needs to start from the leadership level who explains these opportunities to its sales staff and points out the increasing inquiry flow over the months and years to come. Profit marging too low? - Send your used car director to auctions, who are known for "bargain pricing" (most likely in the heartland and the upper Northern states - instead to send him or her off to Orlando and all the sunny places where top "wholesale" dollars are being paid. So with processes like this (and many more) you can increase demand and still hold gross and make a good paycheck - I see it here at my dealership every pay-period - the typical "mini" commission for Internet Guys is rare.
Otherwise I appreciate very much your comment and nutrition of thoughts you brought in this discussion. Enjoy the Orlando conference!

“I Don’t Like to Look at a Screen”

All I can say here VJ is that the Professional Sales Consultants are Auto Retail Future, and that they need our empathy. Our innovation, and their books of business and brilliance in face-to-face interactions are a dynamic synergy. And, we must remember also, the traditional Auto Retail Professional Sales Consultant has been the handler of 'the handshake' in Auto Retail Past, is the manager of 'the handshake' in Auto Retail Present, and will absolutely own 'the handshake' of Auto Retail Future. Afterall, the best sales personnel typically ascends to the heights of management, and then on to dealering, and are the fabric of the entire auto retail sector. We must embrace the valuable insights and opinions of these professional sales consultants, and use them to help us manage a conversation that has rendered the traditional auto retail value proposition dysfunctional over the years. At the core of the matter is the conversation leading up to 'the handshake', (which truly has been too "discount" and "price" focused) and I think the experience of this gentleman spanning 20+ years is indicative of just how vital it is that we innovate our way into a better value proposition for all involved. And, OEM's and Dealers, and Vendors all profit because of the 50-50 value proposition 'the handshake' represents between the consultant and the consumer. Put plainly, "nothing happens until something is sold".

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